tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post944272013208848608..comments2023-10-19T23:31:13.746-07:00Comments on Field Notes from an Evolutionary Psychologist: Zoo gorillas dying from heart disease - scientists want to know whyField Noteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18372584643389870376noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-42503392777854131292009-08-12T22:09:58.253-07:002009-08-12T22:09:58.253-07:00If someone in the zoo business who
can understand ...If someone in the zoo business who<br />can understand simple logic, and<br />empathy, put themseles in the place<br />of the gorillas (now it's not that<br />east, if you think it is then you <br />are not the right person to do this<br />research) and feel the feeling of<br />being stared at all those hours,<br />days and years, and think that the<br />gorilla would like to move about<br />more, but you've deprived him/her<br />of that. They understand why they<br />are there, don't kit youself. They<br />are being humiliated, degraded, etc<br />and what can they do. They do not<br />have the proper food, nor the<br />privacy they need to live semi-<br />normally. Their fingers joints<br />must suffer later on from the<br />simulated rocks and trees. I rem-<br />ember when I was doing an independ-<br />ant study on a group of gorillas,<br />and more than often I seen the very<br />unhappy feelings of these gorillas.<br />For reasons of genuine goodness<br />inside of me they took to me very<br />quickly, and in the end I became<br />not only a proper member of their<br />troop,because of their conviction<br />in me, but their mentor. It was one<br />of the silverbacks that seen a <br />goodness deep within me.They paid<br />mind to me and always seemed to do <br />what I wanted them to do, just try<br />and be happy. They were not free to<br />do what they liked, by zoo staff;<br />but I encouraged one of the females<br />to go into the water and enjoy her-<br />self like the other; otherwise she<br />would make me feel sad - she went<br />into the water - two times, for me.<br />When I told the keepers they said<br />no, she never goes in the water, <br />you're dreaming.Zoo staff believed<br />this same female had migraines but<br />I said she doesn't - they paid no <br />mind and had migraine professional<br />come in to observe her, which made<br />things even worse for her. In the<br />end it was found that she never,<br />ever had migraines. My observations<br />were not moving about staring at<br />them every minute, I just sat like<br />I was nobody, and in respect of<br />them hoped they would teach me all<br />they know, and they most certainly<br />did. God Bless Them.darling sapphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15837730026577806540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-69043051321652854462008-08-08T20:41:00.000-07:002008-08-08T20:41:00.000-07:00read this if you want to save the gorillas...........read this if you want to save the gorillas........<BR/><BR/>http://internetwks.com/owen/gorilla3.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-61243807847652335082008-07-17T14:29:00.000-07:002008-07-17T14:29:00.000-07:00why zoo gorillas are dying....the collagen-ascorba...why zoo gorillas are dying....the collagen-ascorbate function.<BR/>http://playaudiomessage.com/play.asp?m=218095&f=XGKPWN&ps=7&p=1<BR/><BR/>for further information visit:<BR/>http://www.advancedscientifichealth.com/pweb.asp?SID=758990Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-92175478302435847642008-07-01T17:31:00.000-07:002008-07-01T17:31:00.000-07:00We have much to learn from gorillas and other prim...We have much to learn from gorillas and other primates, for their benefit and ours. I should point out that there are several dietary formulations known as "monkey chow" that are the result of careful nutritional analysis. They are "nutritionally complete" but are typically supplemented with fresh fruit, vegetables, and browse. Many of the best zoos have full-time highly trained nutritionists. The National Academy of Sciences has twice sponsored study committees to prepare handbooks of primate nutrition. Much is known and much is not known. I'm especially supportive of "feeding ecology" field studies.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164997885157839477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-42425191445609755542008-04-18T08:21:00.000-07:002008-04-18T08:21:00.000-07:00That picture of the gorilla on the stretcher surro...That picture of the gorilla on the stretcher surrounded by medical professionals is just startling! Very interesting, I love your blog! I've just linked you to mine :)Ellen Greenawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17105412569148754368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-15535429833087716292008-04-06T13:29:00.000-07:002008-04-06T13:29:00.000-07:00Crazy! Poor guy. I hope they get everything figu...Crazy! Poor guy. I hope they get everything figured out and taken care of.Moonchild Dancing!https://www.blogger.com/profile/03594812853058161419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-13733258021795536552008-04-05T10:40:00.000-07:002008-04-05T10:40:00.000-07:00Hopefully, the concern about the nutritional needs...Hopefully, the concern about the nutritional needs in gorillas will lead to a re-evaluation of dietary needs of all animals in captivity.<BR/><BR/>My experience has been that we've come a long way in how we care for captive animals, but we still have a long way to go.<BR/><BR/>Here's hoping the gorilla situation is understood and remedied quickly.Luminositieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07679161447383617893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-75944219007414170232008-04-03T18:31:00.000-07:002008-04-03T18:31:00.000-07:00Thank you for sharing that. I grew up in Columbus ...Thank you for sharing that. I grew up in Columbus Ohio, with Jack Hanna as the director of the zoo...I loved going to the Ape exhibit. Looking at them and them looking back was surreal.Waterrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07422788758188500128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-65843879646438217572008-04-02T19:25:00.000-07:002008-04-02T19:25:00.000-07:00You bet! I thought it was really interesting too....You bet! I thought it was really interesting too.<BR/><BR/>The food zoos give gorillas hardly resembles what they eat in Africa. There's even "monkey chow" that primates get in zoos. They are basically biscuits like dog chow. It's pretty appalling. Yet, captive primates live longer than those in the wild because even though the diet is worse, they don't have to contend with predators and disease - usually.<BR/><BR/>I know Robert Sapolsky has studied the connection between diet and heart disease in baboons. It'd be interesting to hear what he thinks about this.Field Noteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18372584643389870376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30314848.post-51877088158675383442008-04-02T16:57:00.000-07:002008-04-02T16:57:00.000-07:00Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. I think...Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. I think one of the most interesting things about this article is that it demonstrates how little we know about gorillas, really, and many other zoo animals. There is so much unknown about the components of all kind of animals' diets, and I don't think most people visiting zoos realize that a lot of the time we are experimenting with how we care for them in captivity.Laurie Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15664492538174735513noreply@blogger.com